Thursday, March 22, 2018

A Black Day For Gerald Stanley




I have posted in several places and on several occasions that I find it disgusting that those who commit crimes against people and society are turned into celebrities by the “traditional” media and the victims are seldom mentioned. I think it should be handled the other way around. The victims should always be mentioned and those who have committed the initial crime which created the problem should be mentioned as seldom as possible. Yet six weeks after we received information about actual events we are still getting the wrong information from the “traditional” media.
Perhaps the “traditional” media are continuing their biased, unfair coverage of the Stanley trial because they realize that they, as much as anyone else are responsible for what happened.
If the five people in the SUV from Red Pheasant First Nation had any idea that they where responsible for their own actions and subject to the consequences of those actions, perhaps they would not have acted as they did. However, according to much of the coverage of previous events across Canada, they may have developed the idea they could do anything they want to anyone.
Investigation and the resultant information revealed at trial informed us that Colten Boushie had been involved in more than one theft and had misused alcohol and other drugs. During the incident which resulted in his death he twice attempted grand theft, committed verbal and physical assault, threatened with and/or misused a firearm. More than one source reported that Boushie did not think anything could be done to interfere with any action he might take.
Mr. Boushie had every reason to think he was beyond reproach. Due to un-informed or more accurately, un-researched articles that claim his forefathers had been mistreated he might have developed the idea he deserved compensation. Since he had been given much that he didn’t earn during his short life it would not have been hard for him to develop the feeling that such charity and benevolence was his right.
This is not simply something that develops through personal or individual contact although that too occurs. Anytime there is a claim of mistreatment to individual communities or individuals, whether true or not the Canadian Federal and Provincial Governments immediately take a defensive stance and apologize. Often they have no idea what they are apologizing for or if there is even a real problem. The “traditional” media then repeats the apology for days until, regardless of any truth, it all becomes “fact”.
It is true that in the past there was serious mistreatment of some of the ancestors of those who rode in the SUV and attacked the Stanley property. However no one alive today or for the past several decades was responsible for that mistreatment. In addition some of those who thought they had been mistreated brought it on by their own actions. And in some cases those who did perpetrate inter-racial crimes a century or more ago thought, because of their training and poor upbringing, that they where doing the “right thing.”
Looking back to the past from here it should be obvious to any thinking person that in 1850 those of both Old World and New World heritage made some serious mistakes. Now we are all “New World People” and thinking people will work together.
The sad part is there are many people from both backgrounds who are not thinking. Instead they are feeling and will not move forward into the future. They continue to feel they should be given a home, a career and protection without any effort on their part to achieve those goals. They may even feel that what someone else has worked hard for should be given to them. Government and media actions may even support such feelings.
Mr. and Mrs. Stanley earned their equipment, home and lifestyle. That lifestyle includes a feeling of safety and security. They do not deserve to lose any of their equipment. They do not deserve to be physically attacked. They do not deserve to feel their life is in jeopardy.
They have the moral right to protect property, family and life. They should also have the legal right to do so – even to the point of protection from wrong thinking “officials” and “traditional” media.
This is true for every citizen of Canada including those who may consider themselves Cree, Mohawk, Ojibwa, or Tinglit before being Canadian. Allowing oneself to be assaulted, beaten or killed while waiting for a police officer to show up is immoral. It will take anywhere from fifteen minutes to several days so it is not only immoral but stupid. Therefore leaving the laws as they are is unconscionable
Peace officers will not like this last paragraph. They will claim it will lead to situations which will require a great deal of paperwork on their part. But that is the job for which they signed on.
It also might lead to less time in hospital for people who don’t deserve to be there. The resultant savings for the medical system perhaps could be used to hire a half dozen more peace officers … or nurses.
Colten Boushie was not the victim, he was the perpetrator. Mr. and Mrs. Stanley and their son were the victims. They should be treated as such.
I welcome comments pro or con. If you don’t make sense and only rant, I will delete it.
The following are highlights of the events that took place the day Gerald Stanley had to do something he will regret for the rest of his life. They were gleaned from the pages of the StarPhoenix of Saskatoon, SK.


Gerald Stanley trial evidence
From Crown’s opening argument (Crown prosecutor Bill Burge)

He also highlighted some agreed facts of the case, including that Boushie’s death was caused by a gunshot wound to the head, that Stanley tested positive for gunshot residue on his hands and face, that a .22-calibre rifle barrel with a bullet in the chamber was found next to Boushie’s body, and that an empty box of .22-calibre cartridges, as well as 17 live rounds and 11 spent casings compatible with the rifle, were found inside the SUV.

A clearer picture of the day’s events began to emerge. Witnesses said five people — Boushie, Cassidy Cross-Whitstone, Belinda Jackson, Eric Meechance and Kiora Wuttunee — got into a grey SUV and drove from Red Pheasant First Nation to a nearby swimming spot. All were consuming alcohol. Later, they got a flat tire and drove onto a farm 15 kilometres northeast of Stanley’s farm, where at least one person tried to steal a truck, hitting the truck window with a .22-calibre rifle that was in the back of the SUV. The SUV was eventually driven onto Stanley’s farm, where Boushie was killed by a single gunshot to the head while he sat in the driver’s seat of the SUV.
During cross-examination, Eric Meechance told court he’d had roughly seven drinks that day and had not told police about the rifle in the SUV because he was banned from having firearms. He broke down on the witness stand when asked to look at a photo of the crime scene that showed Boushie’s body.

Sheldon Stanley testimony
Sheldon told the jury a grey SUV was driven onto the Stanley farm and that someone from the SUV attempted to steal a quad. Sheldon said he and his father ran to the SUV and Sheldon hit the SUV’s windshield with a hammer. He said the SUV was then driven into a parked vehicle. Sheldon said two people got out and ran away and he went into the house to get his truck keys. He heard three gunshots and then saw his father holding a handgun in one hand and a magazine in the other, he said. Sheldon testified that his father said the gun “just went off.”

DAY 4:
Two people who were in an SUV with Boushie admitted lying in police statements. One also said he lied under oath during Stanley’s preliminary hearing.
Belinda Jackson, 24, testified that she saw a man tell a “younger-looking man” to “go get a gun” and that the older man grabbed a handgun. According to Jackson, that man shot Boushie twice in the head.
Defence lawyer Scott Spencer noted that in her statement to police on the day after Boushie died, Jackson said she had not heard any gunshots and did not know who shot Boushie, but that maybe it was a lady with a shotgun.
Spencer said she was “very intoxicated” while giving her statement and that the officer who took the statement “made it seem like I did something wrong so I didn’t know how to answer him.”
Cross-Whitstone told the jury he’d been driving drunk and had a .22-calibre rifle in the back of the SUV. He said when police interviewed him 24 hours after Boushie died he was “half cut” and lied because he’d had so much to drink and didn’t tell the truth about drinking or having a gun. He said he also lied about those things while under oath at Stanley’s preliminary hearing in April 2017.
Firearms expert Greg Williams told the jury “something unusual happened” when Stanley’s handgun fired, but he found no evidence the gun was broken.
One possible explanation was that the ammunition was defective, which could have caused a hang fire — a perceptible delay between when the trigger is pulled and when the bullet is fired. Williams stressed that such an event is “exceedingly rare” and that any delay would last less than a second.
Spencer asked whether Stanley’s ammunition — 1953 military surplus stock from Czechoslovakia that had been stored in a shed — could have been degraded. Williams agreed that age and storage are both factors in the degradation of ammunition.
DAY 6: GERALD STANLEY SPEAKS
Gerald Stanley took the stand and shared his version of what happened.
He described trespassers on his property, a chaotic scene involving a collision and an attempted theft of a quad. Stanley said he loaded two bullets into a handgun and fired two warning shots into the air, the last time pulling the trigger “two or three times” to make sure the gun was empty. He said two men from the vehicle started running down the driveway.
Stanley said he never pointed the gun at the vehicle or the people in it. He said he brought the gun down and popped the clip out, leaving the gun in his right hand and the magazine in his left.
“As far as I was concerned, it was empty, I’d fired the last shot,” Stanley said.
He continued to walk toward the vehicle and then realized that the lawn mower his wife had been on was unmanned, he testified, saying he felt “pure terror” and ran to the vehicle, planning to look under it. He said as he approached, the vehicle revved up and he thought it was “going to run me over.”
He said he noticed the driver of the vehicle for the first time and saw “something metal” sticking out of the window toward him. He said he banged the metal object with his left hand as he reached for the keys and that his right hand was somewhere in the vehicle.
“I was reaching in across the steering wheel to turn the keys off and boom, the thing just went off,” Stanley told the jury.
Under cross-examination, Burge asked Stanley if he had taken any precautions with the gun when he reached into the vehicle.
Stanley said he didn’t think it was loaded and was “just holding it.”
Spencer said while the shooting is not justified as an act of self-defence, there is a self-defence factor the jury must keep in mind.
“What can you do to protect yourself in those circumstances? You can’t use lethal force, but is it reasonable to attempt to deal with the circumstance to defend you and your family?” he asked.

So what can one expect from a jury? It is obvious that those in the SUV where trying to steal and guilty of assault and willing to escalate any assault. They all lied at one point or another. They were all intoxicated and might not even know what they did or saw. (For example, what woman with a shotgun?)
Even though I saw published reports of Gerald Stanley’s wife being punched I was unable to find such testimony. I can, however, understand Mr. Stanley’s fear when he saw his wife on the lawnmower and suddenly realized she was not there anymore.
I have some familiarity with semi-automatic handguns. It is possible to fire two rounds, pull the magazine and retract the bolt which then could hang up and not return to a seated position due to dirt holding it in place. Should this happen (in a fast paced, fear filled situation for the untrained it would be very hard if not impossible to notice such details.) the last cartridge picked up could still be in the holder on the face of the bolt. If the bolt then slid closed at any time and the trigger was still depressed the weapon would fire. Depending on the weapon it is also possible to hold the bolt open with the safety. If the safety was then released (not hard to do when one is simply “holding” the weapon) the same discharge would result as when the bolt is held by foreign matter.
There is a possibility that faulty ammunition could be responsible. (1953, Check made, military? Wow! Throw that crap out.)
The “metal object” that Mr. Stanley referred to, might that be the barrel of the .22 rifle found in the SUV? Since both weapons where of the same caliber are we sure that Mr. Boushie was not shot by the rifle from inside the vehicle? I didn’t see any information about ballistic comparisons being done or if they could be done.

83 comments:

  1. Justice was served. This man was let go because he prorected his family. Koodos to him for it. This man knew exactly what he was doing when he committed the crime. Maybe his friends will listen to reason. Grow up, get a job, and EARN A LIVING!Instead of doing crime and being a Menace to society.

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    1. Thank’s very much for your comment. It is nice to know that I’m not just screaming at the wall.
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    2. I have quit getting the Newspaper because i'm tired of reading about the natives and the immigrants. If that's all there is for news then I would sooner not read about it.There must be other news which is more positive. I served on jury duty 3 times and if the lawyers can't challenge the jury member if they want to, then some jurists would get on the trial having the person on trial guilty before even hearing the evidence. When you go up in front of the Lawyers they look you in the eye and ask a few questions. If they think in any way you might already have a the person on trial convicted or not without hearing the testimony they do have a right to challenge. The person challenged would probably not of heard any of the trials evidence because there minds were already made up.

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  2. The assault on Mrs Stanley was stated in Sheldon Stanley testimony as well as Belinda

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  3. The Stanley family are certainly the 'victims' in this situation and as long as the criminals get treated like they are the victims things like this will continue to happen and innocent families will continue to suffer. And have no doubt, the Stanley family is suffering in more ways than one.

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  4. That is a great explanation let us hope the the right and the wrong people all read and understand what has happened. One family lost a lifetime of work in a matter of minutes and the other family was on a path of self-destruction that almost appears as its not going to stop!

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  5. Its so hard to believe that there is no discussion at all in this whole ordeal about charges and court appearances for any of the multiple crimes committed by the tresspassers ie driving while intoxicated driving without a licence driving an unlicenced vehicle on public roads driving in public with a loaded gun having a loaded gun while intoxicated tresspassing on private property attemted robbery assult i may have missed a couple offences but where is all of this news? All of these offences were against people minding their own buisness innocent as the day is long when a bunch of drunken hoodlums come on to there property and threaten there lives and property and the hoodlums all of a sudden become the poor victoms.All because the news media thinks the story sells better turned around and the trudeau goverment stoops to this dispikible low to possibly get more indigenious votes next year

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    1. The multiple crimes you mentioned may also include perjury. Are there charges pending for these crimes? Have the RCMP been instructed to hold back and not escalate the racial tension already present.

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    2. Somewhere in the testimony it was mentioned that no one in the vehicle would be charged with anything because they agreed to testify against Gerald Stanley so don't hold your breath for charges against them.

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  6. The Stanleys are definitely the victims in this. Unfortunately a young man lost his life on that day. However what were they supposed to do, just let them steal their stuff. No one really knows what happened that day but a series of unfortunate events prevailed that day. I do know that racism had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome.

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  7. Thank’s very much to all for your comments. It is nice to know that I’m not just screaming at the wall.
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  8. What??? A young man lost his life. Protecting equipment is not legal. You should have insurance.
    This is outlandish to say the Least.
    No those children should not have attempted such crimes however those crimes did not deserve the death penalty by the hand of someone angry. We have a judicial system for this reason. We have property insurance for theft reasons.
    Let's put it another way shall we....
    If your child decided to hang out and get in some trouble would you be okay with the death penalty handed out by a non officer. Just someone with a gun who shot your child in the head at point blank range? Would you be just fine with the results? Consider checking into the meaning of manslaughter by law???
    Does all this sound like a well justified reason to shoot a child?

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    1. To start with he was not a child but an adult who has done these crimes over and over again. You would have to live in the area to feel in fear of these natives who terrorize the rural area and the farmers in it. This has been going on for years and the police wouldn't even go near the reserve by themselves, thus 7 officers going to tell them of Bushies death. And as for insurance, after many thefts from your farm you can hardly afford your insurance anymore or else they won't even cover you. Why should these thieves be allowed to come and take what they want and you are supposed to just say oh well I will just get the insurance to cover it. Get real!!!!!

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    2. And why should any insurance company have to pay for a young person who has been raised with the idea that he is owed something? That is a big part of how this all started; their parents,the traditional media, and many public figures have kept making such foolish statements giving many people of all races the idea that they can take whatever they want.
      This was not an execution but it is what can happen when there is no proper training or teaching. That includes actions on either side of this particular event.
      As for calling the police, they will take a minimum of 15 minutes to respond if you happen to be a city block from where an officer may happen to be. If you are in a rural area the response might be tomorrow. Even saying "shots fired" will not get you a response in less than 30 minuets and it might be an hour in a rural area. That being the case your second call should be to the coroner.

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    3. Anyone who wants to go back in time should jump in Gerald Stanleys shoes. Sad someone lost their life but really its not Stanleys fault. He should never have had to deal with this in the first place. Oh and if you read the actual definition of manslaughter maybe the one who drove him to the property should be tried. They are more guilty of wrong doing than Stanley.

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    4. Anonymous!! YOU ARE A VERY SPECIAL KIND OF STUPID!!!!!! THE ONLY REAL VICTIMS HERE ARE THE STANLEYS!!!! ITS TERRIBLE THAT BOUSHIE LIST HIS LIFE- BUT IT IS 100 PERCENT BOUSHIES OWN FAULT - TO THE MOTHER, CHIEFS AND ELDERS-" TRAIN UP A CHILD AND WHEN THEY ARE OLD THEY WILL NOT DEPART FROM IT"""" NEWS MEDIA ARE REALLY REALLY CORRUPT

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    5. Those children were 2o+ year old adults. They were drunk and out for trouble.

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    6. This comment made me very sad to think that someone misconstrues the reality to conclude that the death of Boushie can simply be explained away. If you take a step back you will realize that due to removed funding the number of RCMP detachment are sparse or significantly almost non existent, greatly reduced in Saskatchewan's rural communities. The resulting lawlessness cannot be effectively dealt with. There is a void of accountability and racism on both sides. The education of these young people on reserves has suffered from less funding than that of other schools in the province. Recently we have done away with the Nortep plan which resulted in better schooling. The programs was axed in the last budget. The young people on reserves seem to nurse an inherent feeling of persecution, this laced with bad role models from the environment does not help. Consequently you engender a high level of unbounded lawlessness perpetrated by some of the young people who live on. reserves. The people living around the reserves also perpetrate racism and fear. tarring all of the young aboriginals with the same brush. All of this contributed to a great divide that resulted in the premature death of a young man. Stanley driven by fear and the need for self preservation reacted as anyone on either side of the equation would have done. That he was declared is only right. He was not sitting on his property waiting to be accosted by a group of destructive minded intoxicated young people. The sad fact that they were aboriginal is not even a factor in the equation. In order to defuse the elevation of racism on both sides, efforts have to be made by all. It would take people to meet and to wipe the slate clean and work towards correcting the ills of today. Money should never used to compensate for decades of old grievances but rather joint programs for correction should at least be attempted.

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  9. This is a great explanation. Thanks for sharing

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  10. I want to know why the other people involved are not facing charges? Did mr stanley not get charged with unsafe storage of fire arm? They better not get away with there serious crimes!@

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  11. They were granted immunity for testifying for the crown. That was in one of the first news reports after the trial was over.

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    1. immunity only if they told the truth.

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    2. And even though the thieves lied, likely the Prosecutor was told to not pursue charges because of the awful threats made against the Stanley's and the pathetic a$$ kissing from the Prime Minister and his co-criminals.

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  12. I have family that live in the general area of this crime and I used to live in Prince Albert, I have spent the majority of my life working with First Nations people. Many of them are by best friends. I moved to Prince Albert when it was listed as number three of the ten best places to live in Canada. Sadly that has changed, along with the status of the North Battleford area. On a recent road trip back to Saskatchewan, I heard John Gormley announce that according to the Canadian Crime index that PA was now the third worst place in Canada. My last 30 days living in PA I had five property crimes against my home and vehicles including shots fired into my house. The shots fired complaint took almost two hours for the police to attend. I was back in PA at Christmas 2017. While home on this trip I found out that a dear friend was a victim of a home invasion. A young aboriginal man broke into his home while my friend was sleeping. He wanted money and the keys for the new pickup truck outside. The wallet and keys were given to him, but before leaving he hit my friend three times with a huge machete striking him on the leg near the femoral artery, the top of the head taking out a piece of his skull and on the side of the head, his jawbone stopping the blade from severing his carotid artery. It took hours for emergency response to arrive. The event was apparently not serious enough to hit the news. Maybe because my friend is single and white and a senior. When I lived in Prince Albert, I had the dubious luxury of having to pay almost twice as much in insurance premiums and when it came time for a claim the deductible was way higher than if I lived outside of PA Saskatoon Regina or North Battleford. Incidentally evidence left on the floor of my living room after a break-in was a signed undertaking on which the ink was not yet dry. It had been signed less than three hours previous, and surprisingly was not enough evidence for the police to question the individual named on it..... go figure. These type of incidents certainly helped me to make my decision to move away from Saskatchewan.

    Saskatchewan has had a multitude of machete attacks on its citizens in the last two years. I suspect that they are not reported in the media for fear of the population arming themselves for self defense.

    I hope that Canada will get a government soon that will have the wherewithal to change the laws so that people can defend themselves against armed attackers.... That in essence is what Mr Boushie was....

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  13. It's too bad that a life was lost, but it's time that things change! It's not that this farmer was protecting his things, he was protecting his life and his family!! It's time that people start fighting back! Gang violence is rising very fast, and the Government is not providing the funding to fight it.

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  14. the verdict/acquittal was the correct one....time we started to protect ourselves instead of the criminals...

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  15. As a fellow person who lives and works in rural saskatchewan I see this all the time and its not unusual to encounter the local natives in trouble constantly, but in fairness there seems to be a couple groups that are the issue over and over. Some are indeed good contributors to the area indeed. But living in a resort next to a reserve there are about 120 cabins,sandwiched between town and reserve, i have seen as many as 20 b and e offences per winter season some can not even get insurance anymore they have been broken into up to five times in as many years. Untill judges start punishing these crimes and passing out harsh penalties this will continue. It was interesting to learn that in the canadian justice system break and enter carries up to the maximum jailtime next to murder if they choose to enforce it. When they wrote these penalties obviously the framers saw protection of your home (castle law) as serious too bad the courts do not.

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  16. I think that the natives got justice that day. The bouchies go screaming racist but if this had been a white man it would not have made the news. Dont call the racist card everytime you dont get what you want. In one of the previous comments people were saying we are on their land and they can take what they want as it is theirs. They also tell us to go back to our own country, this is being taught to the younger native folk

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  17. We 100% support Gerald Stanley and his family .

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  18. "Yet six weeks after we received information about actual events we are still getting the wrong information from the “traditional” media."

    Example?

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    1. An example is that coverage on radio and TV still stress that the Boushie family have been mistreated or have not received justice. I believe they have but still refuse to accept any responsibility for what took place.
      Sympathy would be placed if directed toward the victims.

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    2. Just because there are people that don't believe justice has been done, the media covering their opinions does not mean. Does John Gormley, among others, insisting justice was done not count? Or are you just being selective?

      You are defining victim how you chose to define it. Many people have exhibited sympathy to the Stanleys and many people have exhibited sympathy toward both parties. Why can't you?

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  19. "If the five people in the SUV from Red Pheasant First Nation had any idea that they where responsible for their own actions and subject to the consequences of those actions, perhaps they would not have acted as they did."

    To suggest that someone who is committing a serious criminal offense isn't aware of their being consequences is ludicrous. You could say they didn't care about the consequences and that the consequences aren't serious enough, but I highly doubt they didn't know there were consequences.

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    1. I don't believe they really understood that they where completely at wrong. True, they may have thought they had been "bad boys" but that what they had done was not serious.
      There are 100s if not 1000s of such so called "petty" crimes committed in Canada every day and I doubt that those caught would add up to 5%. If they are caught these "poor mis-understood creatures" get little more than a slap on the wrist and the victims receive no compensation for their loss.

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    2. That's not true. I was the victim of a petty crime (a broken truck window) and was mailed a cheque some months later after the perpetrator was caught. Just because you feel that way, doesn't make it true (I believe you address this in your post). I acknowledge in this instance I was a lucky one and that our criminal system has a long way to go, as I think most people would. But I'd be shocked/dismayed if most people felt that arming themselves and applying their own sense of justice is the appropriate reform to make.

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  20. "Investigation and the resultant information revealed at trial informed us that Colten Boushie had been involved in more than one theft and had misused alcohol and other drugs."

    I searched online, but couldn't find any information suggesting Colten had a criminal history. Where did you obtain this information?

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    1. That information was from trial records reported in the news papers. It was all part of witness testimony.
      It was also stated that he never received serious consequences for those earlier actions.

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  21. "More than one source reported that Boushie did not think anything could be done to interfere with any action he might take."

    I did not come across this information, it sounds very circumstantial or is just your opinion. Do you have a reference?

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    1. Again, from trial testimony. This "understanding" was from more than one source including those who where traveling with him.

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    2. So his friends said in the trial that Colten thought they were free to do whatever they wanted and nothing could be done to stop them.

      I don't know what trial you were following. Sounds like you are trying to inflect your own opinions as facts.

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  22. "Since he had been given much that he didn’t earn during his short life it would not have been hard for him to develop the feeling that such charity and benevolence was his right."

    What specifically had he been given? Are you suggesting he lived a life of luxury?

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    1. Not at all. What I am suggesting,and was actually demonstrated, is that he and many like him think they don't have to work since a relative, a friend, some government service (including band council)will give him what he needs. It was also apparent from testimony that they felt it was perfectly alright and understandable for him (they)to steal those vehicles.

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    2. Here's how to source information, just for reference:
      "Colten had a neurological problem in one arm that affected his hand, she said, but he did not let it stop him from working. When he was still a teenager living in Montana he worked at a Mexican restaurant and later at a motel, where he worked his way up from housekeeping to a more senior role.
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      Colten loved to work outside, cutting lawns and felling trees for firewood, his brothers said. He recently got a qualification as a forest fire fighter. He had worked in the North as a catering employee in the fly-in camps, and wanted to go again to save money for a car, and to help his family improve their living conditions."

      https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/colten-boushie/article32451940/

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    3. Alex- Your lucky! But i dare say more then 99 percent of victims stolen from never see 10 cents! Ive been stolen from many times- to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars- never saw a dime!!! Maybe you will send me a chk?????

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  23. "Anytime there is a claim of mistreatment to individual communities or individuals, whether true or not the Canadian Federal and Provincial Governments immediately take a defensive stance and apologize."

    What has a government apologized for that was not true?

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    1. They continue to apologize for mistreatment to aboriginal peoples which, in the context used is seldom true.
      The two things we SHOULD be apologizing for is attempts to eliminate their spirituality and for giving various band councils money that they neither earned or deserve and which some band councils funnel off for their own use.
      I keep hearing about boil water problems on reserves. If there is a problem, fix it the same as city governments have to do or rural individuals do for their own water systems.

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    2. The context used? You're being too vague to make an argument. The context for apologizing for the residential school was made very clear and seems very obvious, but maybe you're referring to something else, not sure.

      Bands funneling funds for personal use is a crime and instances of members caught doing this has been reported (for example: https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/former-band-administrator-pleads-in-12-million-breakfast-program-fraud-case-777546).

      Fixing the boil water problems was an election promise of the Liberals. I agree, we should fix those. If you're curious, here's the most recent plan to address the problem:
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-first-nations-boilwater-advisories-1.4500068

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  24. "It is true that in the past there was serious mistreatment of some of the ancestors of those who rode in the SUV and attacked the Stanley property. However no one alive today or for the past several decades was responsible for that mistreatment. In addition some of those who thought they had been mistreated brought it on by their own actions."

    In your opinion then, the residential schools legacy, for instance, was not mistreatment? Do you have any experience with someone removing your children from you and indoctrinating them against your will that might guide this opinion?

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    1. The residential schools definitely com under the heading of mistreatment. At the time, those Federal, Provincial and Church leaders involved in it thought they where doing the right thing and they did supply some needed education. The problem is that they did not police it, allowed it to be operated by pedophiles and fraudsters and destroyed the lives of many who were forced to attend.
      Yes, it was a destructive mess and we should do something toward repairing the damage not because we are responsible for it but because it is the humanitarian thing to do.
      No, all the damage can not be repaired. No, throwing money at it will not fix anything and may make it all worse.
      As for "Indoctrination" that comes under the heading of "attempting to destroy spirituality" mentioned above.

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  25. "Looking back to the past from here it should be obvious to any thinking person that in 1850 those of both Old World and New World heritage made some serious mistakes. Now we are all “New World People” and thinking people will work together."

    Do you realize that it's statements like this, trying to enforce First Nations people to be "New World People" is what got us all into a lot of the mess we're in to day? Aka, trying to forcibly assimilate a people that do not want to be assimilated? Why do you assume they want to be "New World People" with you?

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    1. You have missed the meaning. Colton Boushie's people are "New World People". My people are "Old World People".
      The "Old World People" far outnumber the "New World People" and have proven since the 1700s that the System In Force Today is more efficient. No one HAS to assimilate but everyone must realize that if they insist on using another system, one that is NOT IN FORCE, there will be consequences.

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    2. So confused, what are you getting at? Reserves should be broken up and everyone should assimilate? What is the system in force today? Democracy? Capitalism?

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  26. "They may even feel that what someone else has worked hard for should be given to them. Government and media actions may even support such feelings."

    Are you suggesting that the government and media are encouraging people to raid the property of others? Can you please provide an example?

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    1. By not arresting, charging, convicting and incarcerating those who break the law the result is a feeling that it is alright to do anything to anyone anytime.
      In this case the media continue to push the idea that Gerald Stanley did something wrong by protecting his family and his property. At the same time they try to create the idea that it is alright to steal property, verbally abuse the owners and punch a property owner.

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    2. While our (rural, let's say) police forces are stretched thin, I would say it's insulting to suggest they aren't trying to catch criminals. I'm sure they have to be realistic about the odds of catching someone in certain circumstances.

      The "media"... Do you realize that covering peoples opinions are just a part of the media's job? There are OpEd's and articles that provide context with the not guilty verdict as well. Here's some "media":

      http://thestarphoenix.com/opinion/columnists/gormley-the-tragedy-of-the-stanley-trial

      http://www.ckom.com/2018/02/12/239320/

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  27. "Mr. and Mrs. Stanley earned their equipment, home and lifestyle. That lifestyle includes a feeling of safety and security. They do not deserve to lose any of their equipment. They do not deserve to be physically attacked. They do not deserve to feel their life is in jeopardy."

    Do you have the knowledge to make this claim? Are we sure that the Stanley's did not inherit any wealth from previous generations? I would highly doubt they started from the bottom and now they're here.

    Furthermore, you don't need to earn anything to enjoy a feeling of safety and security, that is a right that should be bestowed to all of us, regardless of social status / wealth. Some people put themselves in situations that might make it more likely, but the fact of the matter is that nobody "deserves" to have a crime committed against them.

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    1. If they inherited the initial property, so what? Whoever they inherited from earned it. And at his age, with a grown son I expect Gerald Stanley at least doubled (perhaps 10 times?) what he started out with, if in fact he did inherit any of it.
      Yes, no one deserves to be attacked nor did I indicate that in any way.
      You also seem to have the idea that Gerald Stanley and his family are rich and that is some kind of a mark against him. No farmer in Canada (if that is the only source of income) is rich. A majority of farmers owe far more than their worth. Some of the smarter ones could sell everything for slightly more than they owe if they have enough time to make the sale. As for liquidity, cash on hand, they don't have some.

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    2. I'm not saying he's rich, I have no idea, nor would I frame him negatively for being so. You are the one who implied that these hard working people have earned a lifestyle that deserves safety and security. I'm saying that if someone is born into this world dirt poor, they are at a significant disadvantage to others (like ME or the Stanley's) and our advantages shouldn't guarantee any more right to safety and security.

      (I know hard-working family farmers who will/have retired multi-millionaires, after sale of land and equipment, don't tell me that none of them aren't well off)

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    3. Alex!! Stop being stupid!!! What the hell does it have to do where the money came from???? It certainly did not belong to the criminals- PERIOD! BESIDES NO ONEIN CANADA GETS MORE GIVEN TO THEM THEN OUR NATIVES AND THATS A FACT! RECIEVE FREE HEALTH CARE- EDUCATION- ON AND ON! THE REST OF US HAVE TO WORK TO PAY FOR ALL THIS!!! HIW ABOUT ONE LAW?? ONE PEOPLE??? EVERYONE GETS OFF THEIR ASS AND WORKS FOR A LIVING???? THAT ASKING TO MUCH????

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  28. "They have the moral right to protect property, family and life. They should also have the legal right to do so – even to the point of protection from wrong thinking “officials” and “traditional” media."

    So a person's life is of less value than someone's things? Does this apply to all situations, or just rural property theft? That seems like a "shoot first and ask questions later" kind of mentality, which might be appropriate for one of your wild west books.

    Also, are you suggesting that a person should have the right to accidentally (so we're told) shoot "officials" and "media"? That seems a bit cray-cray

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    1. Now you are putting words in my mouth. You have completely reversed what I have clearly stated.
      In the Canada of today one can only protect himself with the same force with which he is attacked. When such an attack is taking place it is impossible for most to gauge the level of counter-attack which may be appropriate in the split second timing allowed. It is also difficult to decide if one allows himself to be over run, what threat will that constitute for the rest of the family who may be in attendance? If my property - my equipment or the source of my livelihood - is threatened and I make no counter move, will my life be next.
      It is not permitted under our laws to protect "things" which, for anyone who has been attacked will tell you, is wrong and needs to be addressed by those within the law community.
      As for "which might be appropriate for one of your wild west books" ... obviously you haven't read any of my books.
      Where do you get this idea that I - or anyone like me - is about to physically attack "officials" or "media"? Nothing I have said or even intimated should lead you to such foolishness.

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    2. I was being a little liberal with your words there, no I don't actually think you think that, I'm just confused with what you are saying.

      What kind of "protection from wrong thinking “officials” and “traditional” media" (your words!) are you suggesting then? The right to sue the paper if you're angry that they covered the mother of a dead son protesting a trial verdict?

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  29. "Allowing oneself to be assaulted, beaten or killed while waiting for a police officer to show up is immoral. It will take anywhere from fifteen minutes to several days so it is not only immoral but stupid. Therefore leaving the laws as they are is unconscionable."

    It is not unconscionable. Protect your family, with force if necessary, if you are under threat. Just not if your ATV is under threat. And wouldn't you know it, those are the laws that are in place.

    I don't understand why people like you think shooting every would-be criminal will turn this country into a utopia. Has it not occurred to you that criminals might start shooting back to protect themselves? You're just starting an arms race.

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    1. I have written nothing which should give you the idea that I think it is a good idea to "shoot every would-be criminal."
      Yes, it has occurred to me that criminals might start shooting back ... because they already are starting the gunfight. Have you not been listening to the news? The arms race has started and you appear to have the idea that it can be stopped by "good clean thoughts."
      No, it won't turn this country into any kind of a utopia. However, it is happening and will continue to expand.

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    2. Ok, then if you are not advocating for the right for farmers to be able to shoot trespassers then, what are you advocating for?

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    3. I believe all home-owners, regardless of their situation but most particularly those far from any help protect themselves, their families and their property. No one else is doing it, or want to do it or physically can do it. As a result everyone pays except those who should be paying.

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  30. "Colten Boushie was not the victim, he was the perpetrator. Mr. and Mrs. Stanley and their son were the victims. They should be treated as such."

    This is so cold hearted, you should be ashamed. Some people believe it is wrong to speak ill of the dead, but you relish in spitting on a man's grave.

    No one disagrees that the Stanley's weren't the victims of a crime, a very egregious crime. The law was applied and some people will argue justice was done. Regardless, Gerald Stanley is free. Why are people like you acting as if your rights are being trampled upon?

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    1. If the Stanley's are the victims then they should be treated as such and up to now, have not been.
      The handling of this case by many sources has painted the instigator as a folk hero and Gerald Stanley as a pariah.
      Yes I feel sympathy for the Boushie family but if they continue to think that Gerald Stanley was the only one who did wrong, then they may give someone else the idea that they can repeat actions that lead to a death.

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    2. A man is dead. Killed at the hands of a magic gun. Might it have truly been an accident? Only Gerald Stanley knows. But the odds aren't in his favour: (http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/gerald-stanleys-magical-gun-the-extremely-unlikely-defence-that-secured-his-acquittal).

      If you believe in magic guns, then make the case for Stanley being overly maligned. Because if that gun isn't the one in a million it's been made out to be, then he's guilty of manslaughter or worse. So sympathy in many quarters is going to be a tough ask for Gerald Stanley.

      No, Colten's not been painted as a folk hero or a saint, he's been painted as a victim. The court recognized this, how come you can't?

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    3. Because I understand how weapons work and I can see how this might have happened as described. However, I have seen no information about the other weapon that was in the SUV and of the same caliber as Stanley's. Were ballistic test done to verify that the bullet causing the death came from Stanley's weapon and not from the other one? Probably. Did they prove which weapon fired the fatal shot? Probably not since it is difficult to verify rifling from similar small bore weapons when the bullet has been badly damaged.
      Yes, Colten was a victim of his own actions, actions that caused the Stanley's,to all become victims and most of all, Gerald.

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    4. By the way, as many people do, you are arguing with your heart and not with your head. All of what happened on the Stanley farm including the outcome, all of what happened in the various inquiries and at trial create strong emotions which interfere with the perceptions and arguments.
      Keep your thoughts, you are entitled to them and the emotions they elicit. I expect that is what prompts you to take a meaning from what I have written that I did not intend.
      I will no longer respond.

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    5. Just checked the web-site you listed and I see why you might have been led astray by disinformation.
      National Post? Really?
      Semi automatic weapons need to be rigorously maintained if one expects them to operate properly. Any weapon kept in a dusty old grainery, barn or a farm vehicle has not been maintained. You have already heard that the ammunition was old enough to draw a pension. As for the weapon itself the Tokarev TT33 is a piece of crap and when used in combat conditions has a very bad history.

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  31. I think maybe you should write the Stanley story, since Between the Lines refuses! The true facts need to be published!!

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  32. I don't think it needs to be beat to death ... but it does need to be out there.
    Take a look at the published information and decide for your self. I couldn't believe some of bias I found while looking for information on this. The worst was the "Magic Pistol" article.

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    1. That's why it needs to be done properly one time, from the Stanley's and court papers etc., the truth and then it's done!!

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  33. As far as I am concerned, people have the right to protect themselves from people with ill intentions. Whether you threaten me or my means of making a living, I should be able to do what I need to do. Politicians and police can no longer protect us, as they are busy being politically correct and wearing cool socks. If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, you won't hear me crying. If my own kid got killed while they were committing a violent crime (and robbery is a violent crime), all I could do is offer an apology and possible restitution to the person they harmed. There is no room in our world for miscreants. If people don't want to join the human race, fine by me, but if you don't contribute, don't expect anything - especially respect.

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    1. Pretty much my sentiment in the post following this one entitled "Responsibility".

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  34. A bit more about "intent"
    http://dmmcgowan.blogspot.ca/2018/03/an-interview-with-cold-coffee-cafe.html

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  35. Alex - “I would highly doubt they started from the bottom and now they’re here” - you were doing a good job pretending you were in court instead of discussing a blog article up until your above quote when you flopped into the realm of opinion and speculation.

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  36. Alcohol and alcoholism was King that day and the bad decisions that came from it

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  37. You mention "the day Gerald Stanley had to do something he will regret for the rest of his life" (your words). My question is: what did Stanley do? ie: what is the "something" you are referring to?

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  38. He was involved in a death and regardless of any court ruling will feel responsible for that. It is something he will never forget. Had the Tokarev been laying on the ground 20 feet away he would still feel responsible.

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